Comments on: Can the Desertec project provide the EU with green energy? http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/ The flow of technology Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:58:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: electronrun.com » Blog Archive » Are OTEC energy islands the answer to our energy needs? http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-450 electronrun.com » Blog Archive » Are OTEC energy islands the answer to our energy needs? Fri, 16 May 2008 12:02:37 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-450 [...] innovative solutions. ElectronRun has so far covered solar proposals for the energy needs of the EU and the US. Now OTEC artificial energy islands come as another large scale idea whose main energy [...] [...] innovative solutions. ElectronRun has so far covered solar proposals for the energy needs of the EU and the US. Now OTEC artificial energy islands come as another large scale idea whose main energy [...]

]]> By: Are OTEC energy islands the answer to our energy needs? « ElectronRun http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-195 Are OTEC energy islands the answer to our energy needs? « ElectronRun Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:29:37 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-195 [...] innovative solutions. ElectronRun has so far covered solar proposals for the energy needs of the EU and the US. Now OTEC artificial energy islands come as another large scale idea whose main energy [...] [...] innovative solutions. ElectronRun has so far covered solar proposals for the energy needs of the EU and the US. Now OTEC artificial energy islands come as another large scale idea whose main energy [...]

]]> By: Blog.org by David Brake academic, consultant & journalist http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-196 Blog.org by David Brake academic, consultant & journalist Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:17:20 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-196 [...] have no idea whether this would be feasible, technically, politically or economically, (one critic says it would cost 0.15-0.20 euros per KWh - about double what we pay for power currently) but it sure [...] [...] have no idea whether this would be feasible, technically, politically or economically, (one critic says it would cost 0.15-0.20 euros per KWh – about double what we pay for power currently) but it sure [...]

]]> By: Renault-Nissan and Israel go ahead with Project Better Place electric car program « Electronrun http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-194 Renault-Nissan and Israel go ahead with Project Better Place electric car program « Electronrun Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:04:29 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-194 [...] to do the charging of all those batteries in a clean way. I have previously written about Desertec and American Scientist’s proposition for EU and US energy independence respectively, but [...] [...] to do the charging of all those batteries in a clean way. I have previously written about Desertec and American Scientist’s proposition for EU and US energy independence respectively, but [...]

]]> By: How solar energy could make the US energy independent « Electronrun http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-193 How solar energy could make the US energy independent « Electronrun Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:43:30 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-193 [...] have already written about Desertec and how it could change the energy scene in Europe. Now the January issue of Scientific American [...] [...] have already written about Desertec and how it could change the energy scene in Europe. Now the January issue of Scientific American [...]

]]> By: Dimitrios Matsoulis http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-192 Dimitrios Matsoulis Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:31:08 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-192 Tugba thank you for your comment. The Mediterranean has indeed potential for sea energy production and of course all those different projects and ideas are much needed. It is in my opinion very likely that future energy production will be diversified to use all possible sources. Green energy is an extremely interesting subject and future posts will cover more energy production methods like CETO that you suggested. Tugba thank you for your comment. The Mediterranean has indeed potential for sea energy production and of course all those different projects and ideas are much needed. It is in my opinion very likely that future energy production will be diversified to use all possible sources. Green energy is an extremely interesting subject and future posts will cover more energy production methods like CETO that you suggested.

]]> By: Tugba http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-190 Tugba Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:05:32 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-190 I can suggest you a similar project for South Europe is called "Wave Energy" ! You only need is and as South Europe you have already had is SEA..With the waves low tide and high tide actions; it generates energy to pump seawater onto land at high enough pressures to drive a reverse osmosis desalination plant as well as hydroelectricity turbines (they are called pelton turbines). As you now on the world the greenest and the cheapest energy producing system is hydroelectric power plants but with this project you are not also limited with the rivers or geographic conditions..You can look up this link http://www.ceto.com.au and with this project as South Europe you should not worry about "critical advantage of solar energy " ...:) I can suggest you a similar project for South Europe is called “Wave Energy” ! You only need is and as South Europe you have already had is SEA..With the waves low tide and high tide actions; it generates energy to pump seawater onto land at high enough pressures to drive a reverse osmosis desalination plant as well as hydroelectricity turbines (they are called pelton turbines). As you now on the world the greenest and the cheapest energy producing system is hydroelectric power plants but with this project you are not also limited with the rivers or geographic conditions..You can look up this link http://www.ceto.com.au and with this project as South Europe you should not worry about “critical advantage of solar energy ” …:)

]]> By: Dimitrios Matsoulis http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-189 Dimitrios Matsoulis Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:44:06 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-189 Thanks for your comments and opinions Gerry. I believe that politics is critical to Desertec and its success, as in any project of such massive scale involving so many countries. We have of course to see how Desertec evolves, it is certainly a big hope that we can indeed find ways to generate environmentally friendly energy. I will follow online, but since you are directly involved with the project, if there are new developments I would be happy to receive email from you to add an update to this blog. Dimitrios Thanks for your comments and opinions Gerry. I believe that politics is critical to Desertec and its success, as in any project of such massive scale involving so many countries. We have of course to see how Desertec evolves, it is certainly a big hope that we can indeed find ways to generate environmentally friendly energy. I will follow online, but since you are directly involved with the project, if there are new developments I would be happy to receive email from you to add an update to this blog.

Dimitrios

]]> By: Gerry Wolff http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-191 Gerry Wolff Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:31:06 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-191 Thanks for this piece. A few comments: * I think the idea that there could be some kind of solar OPEC that could cut off supplies at a whim is really misplaced. Europe already imports gas and oil from countries like Algeria and Libya and there is no sign of these supplies being suddenly cut off. When OPEC tried to jack up the price of oil in the 70s, it realised that it was shooting itself in the foot by damaging its investments in western economies. Lots of countries have hot deserts: it would be very hard to set up a solar cartel. The TRANS-CSP scenario would actually give Europe greater security of energy supplies than it has now. There is more information here: http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/csp/security.htm . * CSP plants can be set up in southern Europe and there are some already operating in Spain. But very much larger amounts of energy can be captured further south and land is very much cheaper in the Sahara. So it makes better economic sense to set up CSP plants in countries like Morocco and Algeria. There is more information here: http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/index.htm Thanks for this piece. A few comments:

* I think the idea that there could be some kind of solar OPEC that could cut off supplies at a whim is really misplaced. Europe already imports gas and oil from countries like Algeria and Libya and there is no sign of these supplies being suddenly cut off. When OPEC tried to jack up the price of oil in the 70s, it realised that it was shooting itself in the foot by damaging its investments in western economies. Lots of countries have hot deserts: it would be very hard to set up a solar cartel. The TRANS-CSP scenario would actually give Europe greater security of energy supplies than it has now. There is more information here: http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/csp/security.htm .

* CSP plants can be set up in southern Europe and there are some already operating in Spain. But very much larger amounts of energy can be captured further south and land is very much cheaper in the Sahara. So it makes better economic sense to set up CSP plants in countries like Morocco and Algeria.

There is more information here: http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/index.htm

]]> By: electronrun http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-188 electronrun Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:26:39 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-188 Michael, thank you for the comment. Indeed, if flow of energy becomes as free as that of info currently on the internet it will indeed be a better world we will be living in. Of course none of us would like to have a new solar OPEC to control flow and prices. Dimitrios Michael, thank you for the comment. Indeed, if flow of energy becomes as free as that of info currently on the internet it will indeed be a better world we will be living in. Of course none of us would like to have a new solar OPEC to control flow and prices.

Dimitrios

]]> By: Michael http://electronrun.com/wp_er/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-187 Michael Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:56:06 +0000 http://electronrun.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/can-the-desertec-project-provide-the-eu-with-green-energy/#comment-187 There is a new world wide web emerging right before our eyes. It is a global energy network and, like the internet, it will change our culture, society and how we do business. More importantly, it will alter how we use, transform and exchange energy. For more information, see http://www.terrawatts.com There is a new world wide web emerging right before our eyes. It is a global energy network and, like the internet, it will change our culture, society and how we do business. More importantly, it will alter how we use, transform and exchange energy.

For more information, see http://www.terrawatts.com

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